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One of the biggest things that made me uncomfortable about last night wasn't the fact that they were screwing with Danny and Lindsay, or Danny was cheating on Lindsay, or anything like that, it was the way it was handled that pissed me off. Frankly, I'm happy that they're dispelling the D/L relationship for a while -- I'm hoping that maybe we can get some decent character development concerning Lindsay out of it, and her development won't only be through Danny anymore. I'm really not a fan of the Danny/Lindsay relationship in the way that they have taken things canon, and I'm really upset with the fact that a lot of great Lindsay moments -- especially the court scene in Montana last season -- were sacrificed in favor of being Danny/Lindsay moments, and that didn't sit right with me. Regardless, the fact that Danny was cheating on Lindsay wasn't what bothered me. It was the fact that Danny was cheating period.

I know that he's a guy. And I know that he's Danny, and when he's hurting it's get out of the way or get yourself hurt kind of situation, but still, the moment felt OOC to me if he was in a relationship. I've been reading some opinions, and they think there might have been some kind of miscommunication between Danny and Lindsay where Lindsay thought there was more than there was, and if that's the case, as soon as they clear that up, I'll feel a lot better about the Danny/Rikki situation. The issue I'm seeing is that when I'm looking at the character of Danny, I have a hard time seeing someone with his trust issues and relationship issues committing that kind of act willingly like he did. I get that he's hurting. and I get that he's trying to pull himself back together, and he's got all this guilt. I mean, I've been watching him for four years too, I know how he can come apart at the seams when things are coming apart for him, but I can't see it going that far, where he would deliberately hurt someone in that particular way. I can see him lashing out at them with words, I can see him not listening to what they're saying and shutting down to isolate himself, but I really can't see him cheating. I'm sorry. Maybe it just me wanting to believe the best in him, but I think he's too loyal for that. I mean, you saw how he reacted back in "On the Job" when he thought Flack and Mac weren't on his side and having his back, why would he do that to someone else? Maybe for a romantic relationship is different, but Danny's loyalties, once earned, always seemed to run deep for me. So this is me hoping that there was some kind of miscommunication between him and Lindsay, and she thought things were more than they were.

But that's just me.

Also, I'm kind of glad that Lindsay held herself together somewhat, and when it came down to confronting Danny she didn't get whiny and clingy like I expected her too, which for me was fantastic. Personally, I think she handled Danny's dismissal of her better than things could have gone. The first reaction was maybe a bit too much, but I think the monologue was pulled off rather well. But again, that's just me. You're welcome to dispute me if you like.

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You have the exact same viewpoint that I do. For a while there I started to feel like I was the only one feeling that way.

I get that Danny can't have nice things, but I don't think he would willingly sabotage himself in that particular way. It seems very OOC to me, and I don't like that the writers did this. I really don't.

aaronlisa and I are convinced that a Miami writer had that brilliant idea, because that seems to be a logical explanation as to why they thought that was in character.

I haven't been a fan of Danny for quite a while now, and I know I'm not the only one who'd been getting disuillusioned with him, but last night about killed any respect I still had for him. Even if the D/L relationship wasn't as serious as Lindsay thought it was, it was still a relationship of some sort. I don't care how much you hurt, you don't knowingly hurt soemone you're in a relationship with like that.

The sad part is that Danny is starting to remind me more and more of my son's father, and that's making it hard to enjoy seeing Danny on screeen. I have no respect for either of them at this point, and while I can only avoid one without having to give up something I love, it's going to be hard to take Dannys eriously for a long time.

I think you guys may be right on that.

I miss old tempermental Danny. I do. I miss the guy who would be a smartass, and who would say the wrong thing, even though he knows it's wrong, and while we have been getting some of that back this season, I didn't want to get it at the cost of losing whatever love I had for the character by him doing something like this.

I really, really hope that they don't just blow this over and make everything fine like they do with every other storyline on the show. Like, injuries I can deal with them just glazing over. Sure, I'd love a little more development, but I can live. An interpersonal problem like this better be played out, or I will not be happy.

First, I love that icon. I really do. Where's it from?

And I agree with you. If they blow this over that does a disservice to us fans. Not to mention Lindsay, too. There could be some amazing character development with that, and if they sacrifice that to make the Danny fangirls happy I will be very not pleased.

On another note, my lack of respect for him right now is making it hard for me to write anything with him in it. I hate that it's come to this. They need to do some major fixing of that situation to make him seem like a character that can be liked again.

Also, you know what I find strange? Most people are like "Oh, what he did was wrong...but oooh! He had no shirt on!" I just scratch my head and wonder if it was done tht way on purpose.

That's actually a quote from a Law and Order RPG I'm in. I play Danny and I have a friend who plays Munch from L&O SVU, and we were having them interact one day, and that was one of the quotes from the session. You're welcome to use it if you want, just credit

polkadotsnplaid.

Or the D/L fangirls for that matter, which is the ones I'm more worried about, to be honest. Granted they don't have as much of an impact as I think they think they do, but a lot of whining can go a long way.

I try to keep to my bubble, where I don't let canon get in the way and I can play however I wish with my fic, but that doesn't change the fact that Lindsay is really upset and mopey in my head right now, because of this, but this is the loudest she's been in a long time (why, I have no idea). I should write some AU fic with Mullvaney. If I can ever find the time.

I think the writers did do that on purpose. Dazzle with OMG SHIRTLESS!DANNY to distract people away from the OMG GLARINGLY OOC.

Yeah, I'm stealing that icon.

I think the D/L fangirls didn't realize that their ship could become extinct until last night. People tend to forget that while there are relationships in the show, they aren't set in stone, end-all-be-all relationships. And the D/L fangirls get a little too caught up in the ship and forget that it's a procedural drama, I think. Not all D/L fangirls are like that, and the ones that aren't are being more rational about last night's ep, but I think if TPTB try to make it seem like nothing happened they'll appease those guys but upset everyone else in the fandom.

I hope you do get soem time. I miss your fic with them. Would it be cool if we switch to them next in the round robin? I was going to suggest them next since we've ignored them for a while.

And yeah. I think that was the whole reason behind it, too. It's sad that a shirtless Carmine doesn't even interest me any more. Now a shirtless Eddie would have made me forgive (almost) any trangression he could make. But if he were to pull this on, say, Angell, then I'd have to make one of his pretty blue eyes a little black around the edge.

Yup yup.

Sure. I was going to suggest either them or Cassavelli and Adam. And after next week as should have so much more free time to do things, but at this point, I just don't have the time to sit and spend the time on it that I should.

Mmm -- shirtless Eddie. Or shirtless Hill (http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j314/Fay_11985/etc/Hillwiththedamntowel.jpg) for that matter, but I probably shouldn't hold my breath for that one. And I agree with you on Angell.

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Understandable. You pick where we want to go when we get to that point...I'm game for either couple. I already made it clear to Rachel that if she wants more time with Jake I'll write fic. She's happy now.

Oh, we so need to petition for shirtless Hill. Wow. That pic is just...wow.

And yeah. I like the thing with Flack/Angell they've got going because it's not so filled with drama potential. It's just fun. And D/L was never really just fun, now that I think about it.

Awesome.

Yes. He is yummy. The day we get shirtless Hill, I will die a happy fangirl.

They are fun. And Danny and Lindsay had their moments early on, but after that it just got to be too much of the same. Speaking of Flack/Angell, I have community promotion to do...

You and me both. We got almost shirtless Hill, though, so there is hope. Also, we need shirtless AJ. We can't leave him out of that.

I think I already added the community to the advertising post at

csi_ny, so that's a start. I'll advertise on my journal as well since there's a few Flack/Angell fans on my FL.

Oh, definitely. I'm so excited that we've been seeing him more often lately. And some other things about other guest appearances he's going to be making.

Thanks. I'm gonna get to it eventually. I've just been swamped lately.

I can't wait for him on the 23rd. That's going to be so much fun. It's nice to see him as Adam, but he's got some other good characters that he's played, too.

I hope you get a little less swamped soon. You deserve a break.

I'm so excited. I found out he was coming back and I was literally bouncing. Hell House is my favorite Season 1 episode.

Once my event is over next week, I'll be doing a lot less running around, and I'll only have school to worry about. Which is better. And I'll have a lot more free time to do fun internet things than I have been lately.

I think I watched Hell House twice when I got the S1 DVDs last week. I love me my stoner geek boys.

Hee...just when you get some free time my schedule becomes even more crowded. Funny how that works. But if that means you write more fic, I will be very happy.

The BIGGEST problem concerning Lindsey is herself.

Without the Danny/Lindsey storyline, she has nothing.

Not everyone feels that way, Emily. Just because we ship D/L doesn't mean that we didn't think anything bad would ever happen. I've said numerous times that someday they would break D/L up at least for a little while. I've been preparing myself for that for a long time. But sometimes it's still uncomfortable to watch and emotions are high right now. More than anything I think it's just the way in which the story was tackled.

I don't give a care if he didn't have a shirt on or not---more than anything his lack of character burns me. Not everyone is that superficial when it comes to this show, or at least I haven't seen a lot of people talking about shirtless Danny. I guess I've not been thinking about that. Part of me doesn't even want to think about D/L anymore. Maybe I've realized that it's better that they not pursue a canon relationship on the show. Perhaps it's just better that both Danny and Lindsay move on. I'd like to think that Danny would be a man and just level with Lindsay if he doesn't want anything to do with her. :)

I didn't mean everyone. I've just seen a lot of D/L fans lately that were threatening to boycott and stuff like that, as well as DLers that can't seriously discuss what was happening in the episodes, outside of the DL moments. I was referring more to the people who watch the show for DL rather than for the procedural drama. But I shouldn't have generalized like that, and if I offended you, I'm sorry.

I'd like to think that Danny would be a man and just level with Lindsay if he doesn't want anything to do with her.

I'd like to agree with you. As I said, I have my issues with the way the pairing has bee handled in canon, and this is definitely becoming a big one.

Without the Danny/Lindsey storyline, she has nothing.

How shitty is that of the writers, huh? Going on three years on the show, and all she has is a love interest storyline, and she's a regular?

I'm really hoping that changes, and really quick.

I'm personally glad you said all of this; because its basically what I've been trying to get my head and get away from all the drama and all that, so thanks for clearing my head for me. :)

Anytime. I feel like one half of the room is being a bit too okay with what that means for Danny as a character, and the other half is overreacting a bit too much. I just wanted to put out there what my stance on the matter was.

Thats exactly how its been going and its driving me insane; and I really appreciate you posting that because it clears it all up so much better in my head; *hugs* Thanks hun.

*hugs back* Anytime.

You didn't offend me at all. I think that you have a nice, objective point-of-view on things. :)

Well, I can't exactly say that I'm innocent there. I've wanted to boycott the show per se by simply not watching. I'm a very emotional person often and can admit that sometimes I get too involved with the show/characters. And this year has been a really stinky year for NY in terms of writing so sometimes I feel like D/L is the only reason I watch. But I think I'd miss the cases if I ever stopped watching.

I think I could handle the Danny stuff more if it didn't feel like something torn from the writers at Guiding Light.

This is my first real fandom (at least participating in), and I think I've just learned that maybe canon relationships are not for me.

I agree that Lindsay needs development outside of Danny. She has a lot of potential and I'd like to know more about Lindsay instead of Montana. ;)

Lindsey wasn't supposed to be a REGULAR. Somewhere there, these writers got carried away with the DL~~crap~~, got tooooo excited and in the end, got it all wrong. So, washing their hands from the dirt -- they either would push her into the background in favor of the other characters (Hawkes, Flack, etc.) or think of something for her.... QUICK.

Because until this season (and I think for as long as she is in the show), she's a no one.

And I'm not just saying that because I don't like the character and the actress (?!) .

Regardless of whether or not she was attended to be a regular, she is one now. And she's supposed to be a CSI. So I'd like to see things that focus on her being a CSI. Maybe give her solo case with Flack or Angell, actually get her out and do things other than mooning over Danny.

I may be holding my breath, but she's the only CSI on the show who's never soloed with Flack. So maybe that happening might be a nice start.

I know you're not. I feel the same way, which really sucks, because she had so much potential and the writers ruined it for her.

I'm a very emotional person often and can admit that sometimes I get too involved with the show/characters.

You're not the only one. I was yelling at Danny through the TV, and my roomie was looking at me like I was crazy.

I think I've just learned that maybe canon relationships are not for me.

I really don't think canon ships have a place in a procedural drama. I know we need some aspects of their lives other than the cases, but I don't like it when they date someone they work with, regular/regular. It doesn't work for me then.

I just want bad ass Itacklesuspects!Lindsay back. I want her to bond with Stella and Angell more and see her having fun again.

Me too. I want things just to go back to the way they were before S3 happened.

Me too. I mean every once in a while, you get glimpses of the old lindsay but not nearly enough. It sucks because my experience shipping d/l makes me wary about shipping flack/angell. Of course my ships are notoriously doomed.

You're telling me. This year, they keep killing off the characters in mine.

From what I've seen so far, though -- Flack/Angell has had a vastly different set-up than Danny/Lindsay had. They're a lot more -- relaxed, I think. I dunno.

Sucks doesn't it? The worst i think was Stargate Atlantis, one half of my OTP on that show was trapped in a building that blew up and that was the end of the season finale.

I think Flack is also more mature than Danny and Angell is far less angst ridden than Lindsay.

I don't even get half still alive. On Heroes, they shot Nathan and blew up Niki, on Torchwood, they killed off both Tosh and Owen -- I'm on a roll.

Very much. I think Danny and Lindsay's issues were against them from the get go. Flack and Angell have a much better chance at being normal.

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